Dave McGimpsey interviewed Nick Dyner, Moleaer's CEO, on the Water Values Podcast published by Bluefield Research. They dive into nanobubble technology, specifically, what it is, what it does and how it is being used in the water industry to improve water use efficiency, quality and a variety of industry processes.
Listen to the full podcast, The Amazing Uses of Nanobubble Technology with Moleaer CEO Nick Dyner and follow along with the transcript below.
Episode Transcript
Intro
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Dave McGimpsey
Hello and welcome to another session of the Water Values Podcast. As my daughter Sarah said, my name is Dave McGimpsey, and thank you so much for joining me. We have a terrific show for you. Nick Dyner, the C.E.O. of Moleaer, joins us to discuss nanobubble technology. Now, I was uncertain how this interview was going to go. I'd never heard of nanobubble technology before, but as the interview progressed, my mind was racing about potential applications for nanobubbles and clients that nanobubbles could benefit. Nick crushes the interview, and if you haven't heard of nanobubbles before, get ready to get floored.
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Well, Nick, welcome to the Water Values Podcast. So great you could come on. For those who may not be familiar with you and your work, can you kind of, give us a background on who you are and how you came to the water sector?
Nick
Yeah, thanks Dave, and thanks for including me and Moleaer today in the podcast. So I've been in the water business now for 18 years. Got here a bit by accident. I was working for General Electric moving from business to business, plastics, industrial systems, automation, and was asked to go to Trevose, Pennsylvania, just outside Philadelphia to G.E. Water. And at the time, wasn't too excited. The water business 18 years ago, to me, was not on my radar, but got a really neat assignment to lead one of the product lines within G.E. Water, and more importantly, fell in love with the water industry. Fell in love with the local nature of the industry, but on a global scale. Fast forwarding a bit, 2010-ish timeframe, had a chance to join a startup in the reverse osmosis membrane business, focused on seawater desalination called Nano H2O. The founder there was looking for someone to help sort of build the business plan or to go to market, plan and lead the overall commercial activity.
My wife and I moved out to Los Angeles. I joined what I thought would be sort of a short project, see what happens. Sounded fun and luckily it worked out well. 2014, LG Chem, the Korean giants acquired the company. I stayed with them for a couple years to help expand the overall commercial organization primarily in Asia.
So at the time, we were U.S., Europe, a little bit in Chile and Middle East, and then expanded that fairly rapidly with them. And then as I was leaving LG, I was looking for something else to do and met the co-founders of Moleaer. This was the end of 2016, and thought the technology was super cool and decided to both invest in it and join them to help grow the business. And here we are six years later.
Dave McGimpsey
Awesome. So what's, tell me a little about what’s Moleaer do.
Nick Dyner
So, we manufacture, we call industrial-scale nanobubble systems. This is a distinct class of science to itself, nanobubbles. And so we manufacture these systems using our patented, what we call nanobubble generators.
These are generators that transfer gas into liquid incredibly efficiently. Primarily it's air or oxygen into water or wastewater. So I may say air or oxygen intermittently as I describe it, but it's any gas and any liquid. And when we transfer that air oxygen to water incredibly efficiently, we also form billions and billions, if not trillions and trillions of these hundred nanometer-size gas particles, which by definition are a bubble, but they behave completely differently, the smaller the bubble. Hundred nanometers, that's 2,500 times smaller than a grain of salt. You can't see that with the naked eye; it's not visible. And gas bubbles at that scale don't rise to the surface and pop like all the bubbles do when you're trying to dissolve gas and water. Instead they remain suspended for long periods of time and they have a surface chart, we call them electrochemically active. Think of it as a charged particle that wants to interact with whatever it's around. And we use them to enhance different physical, chemical, and biological actions across a wide range of industries.
Dave McGimpsey
That last part is what I really want to dig into, at least to understand the importance of nanobubbles. What are the reactions and why are they important?
Nick Dyner
Let me start with sort of the fundamentals of these bubbles and what they're doing to water. I'll use water as sort of the surrogate for the liquid, cause nine out of 10 times our customers withdraw their agricultural farmers or growers or industrial process facilities or municipal wastewater treatment plants, the liquid is water or wastewater.
So, starting with the fundamental properties of these bubbles, you've got this hundred nanometer size gas particle. Again, bubble by definition, but not behaving like a bubble. Doesn't want to dissolve easily into the water, has a surface charge. That surface charge is going to reduce the surface tension of water.
It's going to bond to particulate, to the opposite charge and oxidize them. An oxidant would be, like for a low dose oxygen would be like a low dose form of bleach or peroxide or somewhat ozone or UV. It's going to create this oxidative reaction that's going to help break down or separate out certain contaminants in water and wastewater or pathogens if it's an agricultural irrigation water.
They're hydrophobic in nature. So if you're working in sort of oil water motions, they're going to have a tendency to want to focus on the oil and help separate that oil out. So we can use them for different types of physical separations processes as well.
What happens is we start to think about different types of industries where water is a critical ingredient and nanobubbles play a role in improving the outcomes that customers are looking to obtain from that water. So, obviously largest water consumers, agriculture, so you're irrigating, you're looking to grow. They apply oxygen nanobubbles to irrigation water to increase yields or to lower the presence of disease and improve water quality to enhance root health, root development, and then ultimately get better quality fruit as well as higher yield in the process I mentioned before. So that's a good example of sort how they use it.
Dave McGimpsey
Okay, that's great. It's fascinating to me that nanobubbles would actually help yields increase. How is that possible? How, because it's the same amount of water, right? It's just the nanobubbles react with the water, do what to increase yields?
Nick Dyner
It is the same amount of water, but really think about it, it's if you're increasing yields, you're actually doing less water per kilogram, if that's your metric unit of measurement of yield per output. So in that respect, we're actually reducing the amount of water use. And the reason and how we do that, it's a couple things. One of them is the technology dissolves gas incredibly efficiently. So anytime you have highly oxygenated water, you're benefiting the root development of that crop, right? The roots want oxygen, the leaves want CO2. So that's going to in itself be a good thing. We're making oxygen more affordable for growers. Then when you combine the actual bubbles themselves to the process, you get added benefits to it. So first and foremost, one of the things you're always trying to control is the presence of disease when you're growing.
So, waterborne disease in particular, Pythium, Phytophthora, these are the ones that often hear growers complain about, can be present in water. The oxidative property of nanobubbles, combined with the highly oxygenated environment of that irrigation water when applying Moleaer technology will reduce the presence of Pythium, Phytophthora. So right off the bat, you're getting better water quality. Secondly, oftentimes you'll see in, particularly in precision irrigation systems like drip irrigation and whatnot, the presence of biofilm. One of the things that we see more and more is that nanobubbles not only reduce and prevent the form of biofilm formation, but they actually also reduce and prevent scale formation.
So you're going to get, called cleaner drip lines, which is going to give you a more efficient deployment or the water being emitted out of the dripper is more effectively, more consistently. And then on top of that, we're starting to see more evidence that nanobubbles are actually improving nutrient conversion or nutrient absorption.
So as those roots are taken to nutrients in those fertilizers, the presence of nanobubbles through the bond of the bubbles, particularly to those different types of nutrients like calcium and whatnot, it improving that root absorption or uptake of those nutrients. So you start to get not only this highly oxidated root zone environment, which is beneficial to root development, but you're also getting better water quality, better irrigation, integrity from the lack of biofilm scale and better nutrient absorption overall leading to two critical aspects: higher yield and higher quality, and for conventional production.
Dave McGimpsey
That's fascinating. Have you done any work, like on ROI, like help demonstrate that implementing a nanobubble solution helps the farmer also increase his or her ROI?
Nick Dyner
Definitely. So every grower that's buying our product is doing that math to make sure they're getting a payback in a reasonable period of time. And so much of it is highly dependent on what they're growing. As you can imagine, if you are growing cannabis, let's say, or tomatoes, your crop is typically more valuable then, say leafy greens like a lettuce is or herbs and whatnot.
And so paybacks will vary from crop to crop. A cannabis grower could get a payback in one growth cycle and harvest. Leafy greens might be over a year. But typically, all of our controlled environmental ag customers see paybacks in two years or less, or ROI in two years or less.
As we start to move to some of the permanent crops they call them, think of Central Valley, California and the large orchards in nuts and specialty crops and avocados and soft fruits, for example.
Some of the value proposition starts to shift from straight yield improvements to reduction in water usage, better flow of the water through the soil, especially if it's compact soil, flushing out salts and reducing the amount of time you have to clean the drip lines that they have out there.
So the value proposition shifts from being a straight play on yield to starting to see how our technology reduces their input costs to improve the economics through cost avoidance and savings as opposed to revenue and top-line growth from yield. But at the end of the day, everything we do in terms that we think about the value proposition, the solution we offer is tied to a two-year or less payback. And that's what we target, cause that's what seems to resonate with our growers.
Dave McGimpsey
Yeah. Money's the bottom line, right? That's what makes the world go round. You know it's been said on this podcast before that ag is the biggest user of water. I think it's around 70% is the typical figure that's cited. How much more efficient can you make water use in the ag sector through nanobubble technology?
Nick Dyner
That's a great question. And as we expanded to larger and larger orchards or farms, let's call it, that number starts to evolve when we think about it more in terms of a yield perspective.
Right? What kind of yield improvement can you get for the same input of water usage? Cause that's obviously the inverse of the other. So we typically, or our customers typically see yield improvements in the double digits. Obviously the very high-tech, advanced growers may be closer to a 5% yield improvement, but we have growers who have seen the implementation of our technology and suddenly got a 50% yield improvement in leafy greens.
And so now all of a sudden they're increasing their output by one and a half times without increasing their water input. And that's really how we think about the measurement of water utilization, water savings. When you think about sort of population trends and population growth, right? There's a, there's an estimate by the U.N. that food production's going to have to improve 70% over the next 25 years. Obviously with climate change, with water scarcity, with water availability shifting, right? Different locations to where there isn't as robust agriculture community like there is say in California. It's much more important that we're thinking about output and we're just thinking about straight savings when we think about how to solve that challenge.
That how we really think about water utilization. We don't really think about in terms of, ok, I'm going to reduce amount of water you need to grow the same amount. Cause the real challenge is how do you grow more? How do you feed the planet as the planet continues to expand?
Dave McGimpsey
Yeah, fascinating. Do you have any examples or case studies that you could share with us?
Nick Dyner
I do. In terms of specifically in agriculture. One that we've been highlighting from a few years ago, cause I think the length of the installation success is always important. We have a project in Virginia, for example, Schuyler Greens. A typical sort of greenhouse where you have a source water. The water has low oxygen levels that I mentioned before. Obviously, highly oxygenated water is important for plant health, root development. You also have a water that's not properly treated, let's say, as if it was coming out of the faucet from a municipal drinking water plant.
And what we did there was we took the oxygen levels, we tripled them. So you go from six parts per million, which is about 60% saturated, to over 18 parts a million now. So now you're 180% saturated relative to what you can get with air. And we do that cost effectively. That's the critical piece, right? We're enabling growers now to hyper oxidate that water cost-effectively and then ultimately what you saw there, what they experienced was that reduction in some of the water quality issues I mentioned before, like Pythium and Phytophthora, they also saw the opportunity to not have to chill the water anymore.
A lot of growers will use chillers because you want to keep that water temperature lower to maintain higher oxygen levels. Think about how your soda’s warmer when it tastes more flat when it's warm. That's because soda can hold less gas if the temperatures rise. So we're able to maintain those high levels of oxygen, even with warmer temperature, so now you don't have to actually chill the water to get the oxygen level back down. And ultimately, what they were seeing as a result of that was the increase in terms of yield as it relates to cultivation time. So they were able to get four extra crop turns per year as a result of this improved water quality through utilization of Moleaer’s oxygen nanotechnology.
Dave McGimpsey
You know, that is very fascinating, but I'm always amazed at the number of interfaces between the energy and the water sector and you identifying the chiller. You don't have to run your chiller either as much, or you can eliminate the need for the chiller through use of nanobubbles. That’s just another example of the energy-water nexus that keeps popping up. It's fascinating.
Nick Dyner
No, it is. And actually, not to shift gears to wastewater, unless that was a topic of interest.
Dave McGimpsey
Well, I'm always interested in hearing about wastewater, so go ahead.
Nick Dyner
Yeah, one of my favorite stats I think is often overlooked and it was, I guess, let's say it's validated when I was with Xylem a couple weeks ago, cause they made a similar comment about 2% of the world's energy goes to aerating wastewater, which is a staggering figure when you think about all the different sources or uses of energy in this world.
2% going to just aerating wastewater in wastewater treatment plants. And that's one of our principal focuses there. So in wastewater what we're trying to do is make the aeration systems that already exist at wastewater treatment plants more efficient. And that's how we see that really big sustainable solution with nanobubble technology and wastewater treatment.
We'll increase the treatment capacity of a plant so you don't have to necessarily invest as much in new infrastructure. Yes, we reduce some of the chemical costs, but for us, for the big win if we think about the emission-driven company and focus on sustainability or sustainable solutions, is how do we make existing stream plants more energy efficient? And that's where our technology comes in, or nanobubble technology as a whole comes in and plays a critical role in delivering that type of solution.
Dave McGimpsey
Yeah. And I think you're spot on there. Are there other applications in the- I'm thinking about specifically because of the pandemic, there's been an increase in hand soap and other disinfectants, are nanobubbles able to assist with cleaning that up or making treatment of those substances more efficient?
Nick Dyner
We do. So I'll take you through a little bit how the technology can play a role there. And if you think about sort of the role of all these industrial and domestic cleaners, like you said, soaps, the broader category being cause surfactants that come into a wastewater treatment plant, those chemicals are often what makes an aeration system less efficient.
So let me start with what that means. When you have a wastewater treatment plant, typically a biological treatment process, you'll have some sort of aeration chamber. Think of diffusers at the bottom of the tanks. You have blowers that are blowing air into those diffusers into the wastewater treatment plant. They form bubbles. The bubble’s size dictates how fast it's going to rise, the depth dictates the distance, and it's basically a race against time. You're trying to dissolve the oxygen from the air bubbles that are being formed as quickly as possible. In clean water, those bubbles would dissolve twice as fast as they will in wastewater and that's typically cause of the presence of contaminants in particular, surfactants, some fat oils and grease that essentially coat the bubbles and prevent them from dissolving as quickly as they could in a clean water environment. So the first question is, well, how do I get some of those contaminants out to enable those bubbles to dissolve faster?
So you can use less air from the blowers, therefore less energy. And that’s where nanobubbles come in. So our customers in the wastewater treatment sector, whether it's municipal, industrial, they will inject air nanobubbles upstream in that process typically right when the wastewater enters a treatment plant. And as I mentioned before, these nanobubbles are, think them as charged particles.
They're not going to rise to the surface. They're hanging out waiting to bond with something. And they will bond with these surfactants, these industrial cleaning chemicals and hand soaps and sanitizers and even fats, soils and greases, and they'll start to oxidize, breaking them down and separating them out of the wastewater. And so as the wastewater leaves that zone where the nanobubble pre-treatment took place, you'll have wastewater that has now less of the presence of these surfactants, these cleaners and these fat soils and greases.
And by the time it gets into the sort, the activate sludge, aerobic chambers, where you have the aeration systems, putting bubbles in, you'll have those bubbles dissolve more efficiently and now all of a sudden the wastewater treatment plant get higher oxygen levels. And then they realize they don't need those high oxygen levels. They can reduce the blowers and therefore they can reduce the energy consumption to be able to still achieve the outcome they want. And that's how we deliver that energy savings, which not only feed the bottom line, but also solve some of the critical challenges that we have from a climate change perspective.
Dave McGimpsey
Absolutely fascinating. Let me, this is kind of an off-kilter topic or an off-kilter tangent. Have you ever used a guaranteed savings contract to help reduce energy costs at a wastewater treatment plant?
Nick Dyner
We're doing our first now, actually. So we have a project in Europe with a very large municipal wastewater treatment plant in Eastern Europe that's operated by one of the larger, well-known, water wastewater plant operations company and we're putting that in place.
So what we're doing is we're establishing a baseline with them through three months. They're paying over the three-month period to use the technology. We're establishing a baseline with them, and then we take a percent of the savings that we generate as a result of that solution.
And we like that model because ultimately, that's what the technology’s intending to do. And so we know it's going do it, and therefore it's a fair business model for us to put forward to our customers, and it also accelerates the adoption. Right? And it's one of the big challenges in water and wastewater that's often discussed, particularly municipal.
It's the slow adoption curves, the risk-averse nature of end users, which is totally fair, right? You know, at the end of the day, their job is to treat water or wastewater to specification and not miss. So this is one way that we look at taking some of that perceived risk off the table, but also sharing in the economic benefit.
Dave McGimpsey
Yeah, you're betting on yourself there.
Nick Dyner
Yeah. That's as any technology company should.
Dave McGimpsey
Absolutely. What about case studies in the wastewater treatment side? Can you identify anything in that arena?
Nick Dyner
Yeah, there's two. There's one on the municipal side, one in the industrial side.
On the municipal side, one of the projects that we, about a year ago, that we like to highlight is that in the city of Goleta, the Goleta Sanitary District in California. Goleta is just outside Santa Barbara, so sort of central coast area of the state. Long story short, and I'll explain how we get there, but basically we save the ratepayers there of $127,000 a year, which is a lot of money for any wastewater treatment plant, particularly that size.
And ultimately it comes down to some key metrics that we delivered upon by doing exactly what I described before, adding nanobubbles upstream of the wastewater treatment process, right when that wastewater enters the treatment plant. So I mean, first and foremost, we reduced the energy consumption by 43%, but there were some other input costs that we also saw reductions in, for example, 10% reduction in solid removal and a 44% reduction in the chemical consumption, which primarily was chlorine for disinfection in the contact base in the final stage of the treatment process.
Now, you also saw increases in treatment capacity, which definitely reduces some of the burden that goes on wastewater treatment plant operators to keep the plant running and meeting the loading that's coming into the plant, which ultimately provides peace of mind.
And yet the economics help the city. They help the finance folks, but at the plant level, what they're looking for more than anything else is an easier plant to operate. And I think in some respects that's almost the biggest win for Moleaer if we're hearing, you know, happy customers, talk about how much easier it's to treat the wastewater as a result of technology.
Similarly, we've done something on the dairy processing side in Wisconsin. This dairy processor Meister Cheese, it's a well-known dairy processing facility in Wisconsin, which is where the cheese capital of the country. And in that case, we actually have a number of systems now deployed in different process units, but based on where they started, very similar to Goleta, you know, starting to pretreat the wastewater before goes into the wastewater treatment plant process. Long story short, what they're looking for more than anything else is to reduce the bottlenecks so they can produce more of the cheese product that they are creating there every day. And so the payback for them is under one month, you know, from what they've told us and what we've been able to do there is increase their production of their product, their cheese products by more than 20%. We also reduce their hauling and we increase their biogas production out of the anaerobic digester. So lots of different economic benefits, but ultimately we allow that factory to continue to produce and produce more.
So those are two different ways that we create value, basically doing the same thing. How do we make that treatment plant more efficient?
Dave McGimpsey
Again, fascinating stuff. Are there other applications? What, I mean, you mentioned oil earlier. I could see, is that in the context of fats, oils, and grease, or is that more an industrial application or some sort of, energy-related application?
Nick Dyner
No, it's both. I mean, there's certainly fat, oil, grease removal, and wastewater treatment, whether it's to enhance the like adapt a dissolved air flotation process, or in a municipal treatment plant where it's coming into the headworks, but we also work specifically in the oil sector. We work in terms of improving both oil production as it relates to using the water that's being pumped downhole more efficiently so that oil companies are using less water to still extract oil. And then we also do work on the produced water treatment side, trying to reduce the chemical use needed to treat that produced water. Soil companies can reuse it and reinject it downhole, whether it's through a frac or other application.
And the way we think about Moleaer is that anywhere that water is being used, which obviously is across a huge number of different industries or sectors, that nanobubbles can create value we're interested in. Now, we don't do all of it today. You know, we put on the list, we think about when we can focus on in the future, but that's how we think about the company, right? We're a platform technology focused on trying to help industries utilize water more efficiently.
Dave McGimpsey
Excellent. And what about the kind of the natural world? You know, I mean, I had a Clemson professor on earlier this year that talked a lot about lakes. I've seen a lot of, you see algae bloom issues. For example, Lake Erie, can nanobubbles assist in resolving those types or mitigating those types of problems?
Nick Dyner
It does. It's a big sector for us, actually, we call surface water. Surface water could be anything from a lake or pond that you would find in a homeowners association or golf course or, you know, municipal park, all the way to larger scale power sector where they're using huge volumes of surface water or stormwater channels, rivers, lake, et cetera. So we have several hundred sort of surface water bodies that utilize our technology and what they're really trying to do are three things.
Reduce the presence of muck or sludge. So nanobubbles will help digest or break down that sludge layer at the bottom of a body of water. And that's because the technology's going to start promoting the beneficial bacteria and oxidize some of the muck that is down near that’s sediment. Secondly, and a lot of times, as a result of that, they'll use our technology to reduce odors.
They start breaking down hydrogen sulfide compounds and turn an anaerobic environment where the sulfate-reducing bacteria, which thrive in an anaerobic environment are killed off by converting that environment to an aerobic environment. And then lastly, they'll use our technology to help mitigate and reduce the presence of algae and harmful algae blooms.
And really at the end of the day, the value proposition of being able to deliver that is that they're doing that in a chemical-free solution. So they're not turning to some of the classic, you know, herbicides, algicides, pesticides, or copper to be able to try to get a similar outcome.
Dave McGimpsey
I mean, Nick, this has been an absolutely fascinating and eye-opening conversation. I've really appreciated it. We're coming to the end of time here. Do you have a leave-behind message you'd like to share with the listeners?
Nick Dyner
Yeah, I think in terms of context of both Moleaer and what I've been fortunate and privileged to have learned over the 18 years that I've had been in the industry is, you know, as I watch the industry at the conference level evolve, it's always focused on technology solutions that are going to help municipal and industrial users treat their water or wastewater more efficiently and help them reuse wastewater more effectively, which are all great solutions and great problems to solve. But I also want to make sure there's a greater focus on how we help industries reduce the amount of water they use and how they can use water more efficiently by increasing its value, right?
Increasing productivity as a result of making that water more valuable or more beneficial for their particular purpose. And that's really where Moleaer focuses, right? How do we help industries get more out of that water? So ultimately they need less of it to achieve their output. And I think that's something the industry needs to spend more and more time focused on. Particularly the agriculture sector, which like you said, is about 70% of the world's water consumption.
Dave McGimpsey
There's no magic bullet. There's no silver bullet to help us deal with water stress and water scarcity. We're going to need to find multiple solutions that all come together as a piece of a big, larger puzzle.
Nick Dyner
Yeah, I agree. Well said.
Dave McGimpsey
I've had great guests on like you that help me formulate that belief. So I really appreciate the time you've spent with us, Nick. For those who want to find out more about you and your work at Moleaer, where can they go to get that information?
Nick Dyner
Yeah, best place our website, www.moleaer.com.
Dave McGimpsey
Awesome. Well, Nick, thank you again. I've learned a tremendous amount. It has been fantastic speaking with you. So thanks again for coming on and we'll talk to you soon.
Nick Dyner
Thanks, Dave, appreciate the opportunity.
Dave McGimpsey
You bet. All right. Bye Nick.
Nick Dyner
Bye-bye.
Dave McGimpsey
Was I right? Nick was awesome. And if you're like me, you went straight to Moleaer’s website to learn more.
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